Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (Frank) — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:38:45 PST

I'm against a ramp fee. They almost doubled my boat and trailer registration last year. If that money isn't going to ramps, then where's it going? While a $5 will pay for people to man the ramps and probably keep the ramps a little safer from vandalism, I don't think it's worth it.

They've raised the assessed property values along the waterfront to reflect what COULD be there, not what IS there, effectively driving small mom & pop baitshops and private ramps out of business.

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (retiredmrbill) — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:04:37 PST

I can tell you as a government employee all my life I understand what you are saying, but bashing the government is not the way to go. Everyone likes to drive on the interstate highways, state and local roads (all government projects) which are available 24/7. You like to have facilities you can use like national, state, and local parks, boat ramps, libraries (all government projects), pick up the phone and call 911 and you get a response 100% of the time. Fire, police, ambulances (all government services). Your children and/or grandchildren need an education so they go to school right? (a government service). You are fortunate and appreciate what you get for your dollar. Just check out other areas like my birth state of Connecticut. You can't even go to any beach or ramp unless you are a resident of the town or city in which the beach or ramp exists. You will be refused entry. So if that happened here those of us who live...

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (saltykayak) — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:54:57 PST

I have uploaded the form in picture format so that anyone interested (should be everybody here) can print it out, fill it out and either fax it in to them, drop it off or mail it to them. Let's not sit on our hands on this and REact when it's too late. Let our NO be heard strongly now. It's easier to secure or our home BEFORE the hurricane hits than procrastinating until the winds start to blow..

http://picasaweb.google.com/ljadams/RampFeesVolusiaCounty#5499611104148522130

If someone wants a PDF of the form I can email it to them. Just let me know:...

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (oneg00dwitch) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:38:26 PST

As we have seen some county ramps do have pipe safe money drops and charge a launch fee, Haven't seen it here at Riverbreeze yet, but already the private ramps with a launch fee are crowded during peak shrimp runs. It makes good sense to pay the five and avoid the circus at the public ramp on weekends. Volusia County did seriously cut back on the facilities at Riverbreeze recently,

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (anglermanagment) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:07:58 PST

I live in Edgewater very close to the ramp but I use the NSB ramps often because its easier when I buy bait up there. If they start charging I will not be using that ramp! Charging for the boat ramps in NSB is a steaming crock of . As soon as NSB starts charging, edgewater will be a freaking mob scence untill inevitably they start charging too! Basically they are screwing the folks who use the ramps often, if they offer a discount to locals or a yearly pass or something that would be better than nothing but still sucks. No one will pay, they will go to Edgewater, the edgewater ramp sucks as it it and will become a mob scene, and then Edgewater will follow suit and start charging too!

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (slammingjack) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:03:27 PST

I'm from Columbus, Ga. moved to Florida about 25 years ago now. In Ga. we paided state income tax. In my neck of the woods the parks were free( and better) and boat ramps were as well. When I moved here I was like. What's a toll road? Soon found out they make you pay for alot of stuff you don't in Ga. Well, my part of Ga. anyway. So all I got to say is Welcome to Florida.

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (newken) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:58:21 PST

Where does the fund go from registering our boat/trailers annually? Do we have to pay for bad money managers at the county/state? If we must pay I think $2.00 will generate enough to pay for a person to clean, maintain, security, check for reciept in an 8 hour shift..

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (wishiniwasfishin) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:31:24 PST

This type of crap drives me nuts. I live in Deltona, and trailer my boat to NSB/ Ponce/ PO/ Lagoon. to fish. I support local bait shops, and typically end up eating out in the area instead of waiting to eat at home. We live on a pretty tight budget, and this type of fee would push me to other ramp's without fees, I may be spending alot more time in Oak hill/ edgewater. I know the fishin is just as good there. Just don't know the backwaters as well there. They can and will make their decisions without me, but I will speak with my wallet (as thin as it might be).

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (hornet) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:16:27 PST

Well sense they do belong to the gov. should they be free??? I say NO, we should pay too use them. BUT THE GOVERNMENT should get out of it and let the private sector run them. IF THEY got back to safety, and roads property tax would fall like a rock if only they did truly basic government. A good business person would charge little to nothing and make it off boat gas, bait, ice, tackle, soda , food, beer, repair work etc he would want you there for those things. How nice would it be to get on your boat and come back to the trailer lights being fixed, new tires or repacked bearings?????

You truley would pay a lot less taxes if the government got out of these things and I do not thing you would pay that much at a private ramp.
Ken

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (saltykayak) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:43:23 PST

Our Government should not be in business. Just look at how well food stamps are run. If we citizens own the property where the boat ramps are then we should vote on it. From what I see from my brief time living in NSB, this is a boating/fishing/crabbing/shrimping/clamming community. And who did the study that shows the people who launch their boats here don't buy gas and goods here? I hit Wal-Mart pretty hard for my tackle and I buy all my gas/oil here and my bait. My neighbor does the same. BUT, does NSB own/pay for the boat ramps? Or does the County or State? Doesn't matter... WE own it.
I admit we have really nice ramp facilities here but if I want to use the facilities 2 to 3 times a week, I simply...

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (CaptLeeNoga) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:25:11 PST

Hornet, I agree with you.

The City already voted and passed the fee based motion. It is now a matter of when does it go into effect and how much does it cost.

We found it strange that Port Orange was in such a hurry to get the fee based ramp approval, and they have done nothing with the approval. So we were kinda hoping there was a ton of backlash...and they slowed their plans.

I think we need to come together, find an email addy and bomb the local city and county gov't, and COMPLAIN.

It need to be talked about here...maybe we have a small voice, and maybe we can make a difference...

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (hornet) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:54:27 PST

How do you maintain things? Is it fair that less then 1% of the population use something and the other 99% pay for it? No I say. We pay for state parks, why not this. At least with state parks and Fed. We can see a benefit to all with the recharge areas for the Aquifer. How ever small.

1. The government should not do what the private sector can do, like boat ramps

2. Do they start selling boats next? ( I now have to compete with the sheriff as he is opening 16 cars a day 16 X $55.00= $880.00 a day X 365 days =$ 321,200.00 per year they your taking out of about 15 locksmiths here in Indian River County or about $21,000.00 per year per company. This is my fight now. I did a request of info from the sheriff for 6 months there numbers show 16.8 cars a day.)

3. Ever time they do something they loss money.

4. We complain about taxes, and then we complain if they start...

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (oneg00dwitch) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:32:44 PST

Hope the county doesn't follow suit!

Re: Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (CaptLeeNoga) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:15:25 PST

The city reg passed years ago as did the fee based boat ramp at Dunlawton in Port Orange.

We been wondering and waiting for them to start rumbling about putting into motion what is already granted them by legislation.

The reason this whole thing went to vote was the city of NSB felt boaters do NOT spend much money in the area. They gas up at home, buy their snacks at home and leave all their garbage for NSB to clean up. When the NSB ramps underwent the $250,000 renovation a year or so ago we felt NSB was preparing to start charging the fee's.

The fee is going to be a nightmare. Folks will resist the fee as long as they can and try to go elsewhere. But, I feel over time they will come to accept it, will pay it and hope the ramp is less congested and/or the crackheads will have moved on. That ramp needs security.

We are hoping they offer a discount pass for folks who use it frequently. Port Orange started this....and NSB followed suit when Port Orange got...

Time to hit the wallet at NSB boat ramps?

feeds@yuku.com (saltykayak) — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:55:22 PST

Stopped in at Cecils to buy my daily shrimp load and the nice lady at the counter asked "is that your boat?" I told her that's my little 14' er. She hands me a questionnaire from the City of New Smyrna Beach Parks and Recreation Department asking if I would support a CHARGE for launching a boat. It would be to maintain the lot, ramps and restrooms. It asked a few questions like where I live and where the boat resides and how much of a FEE would I support: $5________ $10_______ Other________
Also, what locally do I buy for the boat outing: Fuel___ Repairs___Food___Overnight___Bait___Tackle___

Can you imagine a $5 or $10 charge EACH...